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Its not about cosmetic surgery,

kat57 started this conversation

Its not about cometic surgery, I have no teeth in this picture, I smile because, I'm thankful for life. I don't want to pout and get people to feel sorry for me, but I do need to find a link, or a person of great generosity, that can help me.. I'm nauseous asll the time, thank God for make up, and trying to keep my sense of humor.  I need  6 teeth implants desperately, I have tried everything from writing to philaprist, whom my short reply from them was try tapping your family or friends, My reply was my family and friends may not have the finances to help me but they have integrity and a heart, and believe me they would like to me not be sick all of the time.. 7 years ago, I chose to get dentures, because of my panic and phobias of dentists, when I use to go and they would want to give me a root canal, I said no, take the tooth, I just wanted out of there.. Well I said tht 1 too many times. till I finally had to get dentures. Well being on Medi-cal, and Medicare, I had to go to denists that took there insurance, and the first time I got dentures, I had trouble right away with the bottoms, and shortly their after the tops, I could where them for a short time,  alot of the time it didnt bother me, because I was on very strong pain medine, anti-depressnts, musle rlaxers, for back problems, so my mouth didn't feel much at that time.. and a few years ago, I went to the gaster- digestive problem dr. for routine endoscopy and colonoscopy, well I have to go and get my colon checked regulary because of colon cancer be so rampid on dads side of family, and I had polps removed several years ago, and the did the endoscopy also, well I have something called Barretta's esphagas someting like that its precancer of esphagas,  so now I have have that checked regulary, I have a history of ulcers, at bleeding ulcers when I was 16 the first time.  Oh I forgot I'm 57  this picture of me was taken last week.. Anyway, and have had them over the years and once in my esphagas.. So now any extra acid is not good for me, I really don't want cancer, I have 6 lovely grandchildren. whom i don't see much the young ones don't understand why Grammy doesnt have teeth.

So I finally got where I didnt have to take as much medicine but, I couldnt wear my bottoms still, and my tops still wouldn't be in but for a short while, if I dont chew food, talk, basically  just dont do anything with my mouth,  then I can wear them a few hours.. but that is not realistic.  When my teeth our out which is 80 to 90% of the time, I am constantly swallowing salvia, chewing my gum, I don't know why,  I just do, and it makes me more nauseas  and at times I throw up til there is just bile.  The extra acid irritates everything, and the stress of am I going to get cancer because of all this added acid on my esphagas,  creates more acid..

I finally got another set of dentures, Mede-cal will only let you have a set every 5 years, I really thougt it was the dentures, and all would be well.  I was wrong, had the same problems.  I finally went to a regular dentist, and had to pay for a consultion fee of 57 dollars.  He told me it wasn't the dentures, my hope started to diminish, then he said they could make a special denture for the  bottom, the problem was my mouth,  the top of it has a bump,  it has a name but I forgot what it is, anyway, that and the fact I have a child size mouth, and a extremely strong gag reflex, right wear the back of the palet part of the denture would sit, so thats why  I was never able to wear the top denture for any time.. The top he didn't think he could do anything for, by this time I had tears going down my cheeks, my friend from church was with me , and she started asking questions, she said surely their are people like me they can do somehting for, so he sent me to a specilist one who treats people with mouth issues, special dentures, for a consultation.  So I went to him another fee 95 dollars this time. He ws kind and gracious as was the last guy, and he told me they could make a denture for the top, but they would have to make it with out the palet, and so I would need 4 implants to hold it in place and I would need 2 for the bottom denture they would have make.  Im starting to feel sick, I know implants are ridicictously expesnsive..  so I said bottom line what will the cost be?   well my part would be getting the dentures made, and the prep before you get the posts ready , bottom line it would be about 3 to 4 months then I would be done.  His amount was around 9,000, that was like a million.  but we had one credit card we had never used for that amount, I had hope again, until he said that is not the big expense, that would be the oral surgeon, who put would put the posts in. At 2,600 a post his cost was app going to be 14,000.   I was really really sick, and losing hope very quickly.  So my I cried again. he set me up a consultion appt, with the oral surgeon, which that one would be  190.00 something to tht effect, and if I decided to get the procedure that would be deducted.     My friend and  I left she said just make the app. which I made it, but had to cancel.  The 9,000 would have been next to impossible if not impossible to pay, I being on ssi and social securtity make around 700.00 a month  the ssi also takes my husbands wages into acct, which he makes 8.35 a hour after 17 years on the same job.  well I can do some math. we have sold my husbands antique radio, which was something,  but that just helped  pay off some of our little debts,  because we worked very hard at getting our credit score good.  I don't know what to do,  I have been fighting a depression,  for the last few months, and sometimes its just all too overwhelming, if it wasnt for being nauseous and vomiting, and having the precancerous condition, I could live without them, life is not about looks, and people tell me I you don't look that bad without teeth. well  thats good but they aren't  nauseous and throwing up because of it.   I v have even thought about standing on the street corners, and asking for money for teeth impants, I'm really not kidding I have to do what ever I have to do.  i cant be sick all the time, and I don't want cancer.   So Im pleading with anyone who as any ideas, on where I can go to get help, or of any charitable  nice philalaprists.  As a Christian I'm holding on t0 the cross with all I have.  Otherwise I would have been gone by now,  by my own hands.  But I cannot give up.. If  all these people that have money can go get them, there has to be a way for me.  If anyone is interested in helping me they are more than welcome to contact the specalist and or the oral sergeon.. Oh yeah the specilast was kind, he said you have to pay the oral surgeon up front but you dont' have to pay mine till 3 or monthes down the line when its all done... He was really trying to help,   If you know anyone, or of any oral surgeon that one like to this probono, Please contact me.. I dont' need to see a dime, it could all go to the specilst and oral surgeon how ever it worked out for who ever. I don't know how this is going to end, but I'm so ready for a solution..  Thanks so very much for your time in reading this very long plea for help.      I have already looked into dental colleges, but if you know of one let me know, I have even checked into Mexico, that is a possibilty, but it still would take funds, and then finding someone reputable.   God Bless You abundantly in everything you do.. Thanks again for your time........... d

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Sandav1
 in response to donnette...   

We really do need to change things.  I was told the same thing as you.  I have medi-cal, for dental it is called denti-cal.  The dentist at our clinic are the culprits who started the "Tooth Fairy" crisis in our household!  Every time we went to the dentist, instead of asking us if we wanted a tooth saved, before we knew what they were doing, they had been extracted!

When I brought this point up, the dentist I had was from Asia.  He said that it was better health to pull a tooth once it starts to decay, rather than patch it up.  He claimed that we poison our systems by pro-longing it.  He said it goes through our blood stream. 

I always had a dentist that saved my teeth!  Of course I had two insurance company's at the time!  Hummmmmm......

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Sandav1
 in response to donnette...   

Hi donnette,

Thanks so much for sharing.  Sometimes it's hard to admit to certain things that goes wrong with our health.  It had been very hard for me talking to strangers about my dental problems.  That is until I could no longer hide from it!  Kat57 is so right. When she states that we need to make a difference in how insurance and the medical field determines what is a health issue and what is cosmetic!

Believe me I don't like the idea of being the poster child for the event, I'm a very proud person.  Or at least I use to be.  However, having gone through the pain, shame, and embarrassment I have in my life time.....I could conceive me of doing just that!  I don't want any one else to go through what I have.

I've been in pain for the last 48 hrs.  so I'm sorry I didn't see your blog until now.  You sound like a real happy person.  One that is good in hiding their pain.  I know I am.  I also know that it wears on you and at some point it gives!  I would really like for you to tell me a little more in what you have tried.  Have you contact any of the  help sites we have here?  Please let me know, OK?  Sandav

 

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Sandav1
 in response to kat57...   

Heh Kat!

     I'm a bit tired right now, but I wanted to Thank You for your response.  I have been praying a lot for you.  I know first hand what your going through.  My pain is from roots that still remain, along with broken pieces of sharp teeth particles.  I have four teeth left.  Wouldn't you know that none of the four are aligned so I can use them to chew! (Dammm!!!) oops! sorry.  I get so hungry for real food.  How we take things for granted when we have them, huh?  I remember always smiling and I was an ice chomper!  I loved iced tea and chomp on the ice!

My poor daughter has beautiful teeth and I am on her all the time now about what to do and don't do.  This has been going on for four years for me now.  I never had dentures.  I would love to try, but the dentist that would not treat me due to my medical issues, said something about my gum line is too narrow on my right side and too close to my sinuses.  I don't understand, but after that my poor grandfather made an app'mt with an oral surgeon who only takes cash!  I did not know at the time that he paid him a total of $2100.  for me to be put out and pull six teeth! 

That was over a year ago.  My mouth is started caving in to where I look 20 years older and feel it too.  The pain is always there, just different levels.  I have forgot how to smile and how it feels without pain.

I have searched all over this Internet.  I have sent emails to Paula Jones, the first newly elected woman president for the American Dental Ass.  She has been successful in helping needy children with dental care.  I wrote and told her that that is wonderful, but teaching the parents would be even better.  After all we were all children once and products of our parents.

As luck goes for me, the agency I told you about getting on a list the NFDH, National Foundation Dental for Handicapped.  I think they tried to CALL me today!!!  My mess. machine is dying and did not record but a couple of words.  I have a who's calling and thank God there was a phone # left.  I tried to call, but no one there.  I will try again tomorrow...wish me luck and say a little prayer!  I just wanted to let you know my thoughts are with you and it strengthens me to know I'm not alone.  Hugs Kat,......Sandy out....nite.

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kat57
 in response to Sandav1...   

Thank you, so much for such a lovely reply, my prayers and  thoughts will be with you daily. You have been thru it... I am so sorry they messed up on  your surgery, how devastating for you emotionally and physically,  now I  am not a "sue everyone you can type of a person"  but that certainly sounds like you would have grounds for some  sort of lawsuit  to present,  to someone with what they did to your body to your breast and mind and emotions..

. I am so sorry for  all of  you have had some horrific times.

It is people like you, that I hope will be able to write and send letters, to the ADA, and insurance co.'s  and even Medi-cal,  for I'm in Cal also.  Yours has  been one of the Best letters, on some  of  the many medical problems, that come from no teeth, and not just dentures, we cant all wear dentures, and this the point.,  and you have children involved..  please keep in contact with me..I think you could be very instrumental in helping change things!   Also  who  will continue to have MEDICAL PROBLEMS related  to not getting the coverage we need , to insurance companies and Medi-cal not paying for teeth implants,  that's what permanent dentures are., those lovely screw in permanent teeth, or around 2400 a tooth...  .   A lot of people with teeth just don't get it!!  trying to eat with  no teeth,  especially when your hungry, causes choking problems..  Very easy for them to say just eat baby food...  we are not babies, are adults with a medical problem nobody is addressing!   We do get hungry (we, those with this issue) and you just sometimes practically inhale, most, all food  was never meant to be inhaled.. CHOKING IS SCARY AND REAL..   I have been out with friends and alone when this is happened, and its pretty scary when your alone, you don't know, if this will be the time you cant get the food to go down.. well you get the idea.. you start frothing.   As you know when  you have no teeth  you, have more saliva,  at least at  the  people I have talked to have this problemI almost constantly chew on my gums and swallow,    all of this added  to all of the fore mentioned,  just compiles for me   lots of  others and does not make a good scenario , which adds to the acid, in my stomach, and esophagus.. 

Well enough for now,  but PLEASE continue writing, feel free to write me,   I have some ideas.... put on your thinking cap.  We can win this battle, just don't give up..

Thank you so much for your letter..

God Bless

Kat    

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Sandav1

Hi Kat!  You have been on my mind and in my prayers.  I have very similar teeth problems.  It all started about 6 or 7 years ago.  My spouse and I found out that the water we bathed in, drank, swam, cooked, was contaminated with e coli and other bacteria.  Myself, my husband and two daughters.

To shorten a very long story, our teeth started crumbling at a very fast rate.  We had a family dentist, until the mill closed where my husband worked and I went out on disability.  Our dentist we had seen for over ten years would not see us from then on!

We eventually got Denti-Cal for California.  They believe in pulling teeth rather than repair them!  Our teeth problems have been going on for at least 5 years.  The last three years have been constant PAIN, INFECTIONS, and abscesses!  I live in a small rural town, and the clinics here will NOT treat me due to other medical problems I have.  One being congestive heart failure.  My legs swell.  Two years ago I had to have part of my stomach  and intestines removed to allow more room for my lungs to expand.  So, at least now I don't require oxygen during the day!  Only at night.  Three years before that surgery, I was talked in to having breast reduction.

That is one surgery I WOULD NOT do again if I had a second chance.!  I could only afford ONE LOCAL DOCTOR with my medi-cal.  I am Truly DEFORMED!  My rib cage is twisted with my spine, so I have a hunch back.  I use to have very nice breast...now they are hideous and look like I have four!  Doctors tell me that it should never turned out like that, especially not loosing my nipples.

So, my teeth (or lack of them) I can relate to!  I to use to have a beautiful smile.  But, the pain, tenderness and pure hungry. Drives me nuts at times!  I am still searching the web for solutions.  I have been told that I need permanent bridges put in the upper and lower.  Securing them with 4 to 6 screw in types .  I've seen pictures of the process  and I have to admit it looks pretty scary .  But boy if it would work, I would love to give it a try!

I am bugging the San Francisco School OF Dental now. I will keep you and others in mind and post things as I find them.  We look like sisters now Ha Ha !   Hugs and Prayers, Sandav                                                                  

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